We discuss in this podcast – healing mind and body to become pain-free :

• Rita was diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis and new immediately the severity of the condition
• After a brief period on prednisone she began looking for alternative treatments
• How she found a holistic doctor and began to work on her diet
• Genova testing and the possibilities
• Working on both mind and body for recovery
• How little by little she went back to full physical activity
• Ayurvedic and acupunture
• Infrared sauna
• The importance of having a coach
• Controlling our breath – Rita demonstrates her method that she loves

Clint – I am blessed again today to share with you another wonderful guest and her story of getting tremendous results against rheumatoid arthritis. Her name is Rita, she’s from a beautiful part of the world in California. And she is going to talk about how she managed to sidestep all of the worst aspects of this condition by throwing everything at her health. And getting as healthy as she possibly could in as short as possible time. So it’s Rita all the way from California. How are you?

Rita – I’m great. Thank you Clint for having me on here, I hope that I can inspire at least one person, if not more.

Clint I certainly think you will. We’ve only spent a little bit of time going over your situation, so I’m going to learn a lot. And I’m already inspired with what you’ve shared with me so far. So the date I’ve written down here is 2008, which was the year you were diag-nosed with rheumatoid. Let’s start at that point and tell me what happened and then we’ll get into all of these tremendous things that you did to improve your health.

Rita – Ok, I was on vacation, he was back in 2008, and I remember having this very burning like sensation in my feet, that’s where it started and it took off pretty fast from there. Next thing I know, my elbows were hurting, my knees were hurting, and it went into my neck and my elbows that I say that every finger, both wrists. And then it was my jaw that locked up. And when it locked up, I wasn’t really able to even barely put a straw through my mouth. And that’s when my husband said, you know, I think we need to go to the doctor. So he drove me to a rheumatologist in Rancho Mirage, California, where we were vacationing. But the doctor referred me to somebody in my own hometown. So four days later, we drove home and that’s when I began seeing a local rheumatologist in my area. And immediately he wanted to put me on prednisone and I agreed for three short weeks. So I tapered off after about 10 days. And so when I went back to him, he asked me how it was. And he was expecting that this was going to be an amazing wonder drug, which it was, I felt no pain, but when I was at the office, I saw crippled people. And I knew because my sister had rheumatoid arthritis 30 years ago she was diagnosed that she’s two years younger than I. I just knew that it was really not for me, you know. So the next drug was Methotrexate that he wanted to put me on. But I thanked him graciously and said, I think before I do any of this, I want to seek out my own alternative options.

Rita – And so I began on my search and in my search, I fell into a great doctor who was a functional medicine doctor. And she was also luckily, she had an autoimmune disease herself. So she really understood where I was coming from, and she was a holistic doctor as well as a medical doctor. So I felt I was in great hands and felt really lucky to have crossed paths with her. So everything began with her and it started with supplements and changing my diet, elimination of gluten, dairy, soy. She did a lot of testing to find out what I was allergic to. I mean, this particular test, I don’t know if I can say the name of it, it’s Genova. And it was very detailed, I mean, right down to even how much copper my body had, magnesium. I mean, it just was like an open book of everything, every wiring, like in my body was pretty amazing. And so after she got the results of that, she was able to work with me on getting me on supplements and then suggested infrared sauna. And so from there, I went into let see, trying to remember so many things. She suggested that I even see a therapist because she said a lot of stress in my life at the time. And she said, mind and body work together. So if I’m going to help you, I need you to also have your mind being worked with as well so we can work with both together. So I agreed and then I started feeling better, but I still wanted to take my health in my own hands. So I continued just, I just went at it with everything. I went to now, your (inaudible) practitioner, an acupuncturist. I went to gosh, the list goes on here, I began meditation, I went to restorative yoga and learned actually do I learn to breathe differently than I was actually breathing? And I learned every step deep breathing. And that helped me to sleep better at night, so I was getting better nights of sleep. Lots of prayer and yoga and, you know, chiropractic, naturopathic doctors.

Rita – I mean, I just went at it with everything. And then little by little, I started to feel better and I went back to the gym because I’d always been a gym member, but I couldn’t even lift a coffee cup know. And here I was looking like fifteen pound dumbbells at one time and each arm and I couldn’t even lift a coffee cup. So then I returned and started out with like very lightweight, and then built myself back up to strength training. Which I read that that was a lot of really important, but luckily I already knew that because I loved being strong and being only five feet two, I like to lift my own groceries and carry things in without having to ask all the time. So I was already ahead of the game by knowing that I had a passion for strength training. But then I started feeling so well, I started playing tennis, I was hiking, swimming, doing Zumba. I mean, I was just doing everything. And even more before I had RA, I became more active because I became more conscious of how important moving my body was so important. And I’ve always been active. So it was really easy for me to do that.

Rita – When I went to ayurvedic people, they taught me how to regulate, I was eating whenever because I was in real estate and I was just throwing things down fast and probably really affecting my gut the way I was just eating in a hurry and ayurvedic they teach you to be more mindful about every mouth full and chewing and eating and quietness. So I had to relearn a lot at age was I think I was fifty or fifty two when I first got this, when I first got RA. So they helped me regulate my eating times, then I learned about green smoothies and I really started getting into mostly plant based food eating and added starch, thanks to Dr. John McDougal, because I’d come across this stuff back in two thousand eight. I didn’t ever really eat red meat except for maybe once a year, but I just completely took that out. And then I lessened processed food.

Rita – So I learned a lot about stress, being mindful, and awareness of breath. And a lot about my inner thoughts, how to control my inner thoughts and change my way of thinking. And I learned that this was going to be a lifestyle for life.

Clint – Yeah, wow. So you’ve just covered so much this and I’ve a lot of questions now.

Rita – OK.

Clint – So first of all, how are your symptoms now compared to all of the troublesome areas that you had when it was at its worst in the early stages?

Rita – Ok. I, I don’t have any pain anywhere, you know, I’m not going to say that, you know, I did get hit with RA like in my hands. But they seem to be pretty normal that these four knuckles are a little bit big, larger, not big, just larger, but not any bigger than they were back in 2008. So it sort of just all stopped. Yeah, I’m good. I mean, rarely, rarely do I take an Advil or Tylenol or anything if I happen to get a headache for something, maybe stress’ or something. But no, I’m pain-free, pain-free from head to toe.

Clint – How long have you been pain-free?

Rita – You know, I think it started a lot sooner than I actually expected, but after a couple months, two, three, four months, something like that, I really started to just feel better and better and better. And I kept throwing things in the fire. Anything I could think of, you know, like the ayurvedic and the acupuncture and the chiropractor and deep breathing and yoga. And so the more I did, the better I conquered it a lot quicker. So this is not something that you know, you just you don’t take it lightly. And it can be a lot of fun, really getting to know yourself and your body, what you can eat and oh, my gosh, you know, plant based food is so delicious, I don’t feel like I’m missing out at all on the old food. Salty, greasy food, no thank you. And the thing is, you you know the difference when you get done eating that kind of food, the old food, it’s like you don’t feel very good when you eat really clean, healthy food. You just feel so amazing and energetic and clear minded. So I love it. So no pain, good healthy diet.

Clint – Yeah. OK, great. Well, so let me let me move through some of these questions because the answer, the next one, which was how long does it take to actually clear that that inflammation and so forth. And you’re saying it was it was more months, multiple months rather than multiple years?

Rita – Oh, yes. I think the first year was the toughest because, you know, you learn it’s sort of like when you’re trying to teach a toddler, you know, certain things, like not to touch something, you know, so you touch this food and you get that, you get your hand slapped because you realize your body is going to talk to you and say, no, no, you can’t have that. So this was a lot of trial and error thinking. Oh, you know, when you feel better, you think you can cheat. But there’s way to there’s way too there’s a way to satisfy yourself without cheating with the old food. There really is, and it’s just a way of learning. And eventually you surround yourself with these kind of people that are doing the same thing and eating healthy. And it becomes kind of easy.

Clint – Yeah, and especially where you live as well, your area will be able to source more plant based foods, more healthy lifestyle in California. You’re up towards the Bay Area especially. So it’s a great place to be if you’re looking for some nice, healthy and I guess enlightened options with regards to thinking about the planet, thinking about animals and so forth as well. So that’s in your favor. I want to point out as well, you never did our program. You never did the Paddison program in 2008 when you were diagnosed and started working on all this. I was in the midst of my own hell. I wasn’t thinking about creating a program, I was thinking about how do I bypass elbow surgery. I mean, I was in absolute dire straits at that time on maximum dose of methotrexate and worsening. So I just wanted to point that out to people as well. You didn’t go through as an as strict an elimination process as what a lot of people do. You’ve changed your diet, which is and made some great choices, ended up plant based. And a lot of these other things that you did were instrumental for you. And I wanted to ask you about those. And first of all, a comment on the Genova test. I haven’t looked at that in about a year, but I believe that they also do now they also do an oxidative stress test as well. And I at one point was looking at getting that done for myself because oxidative stress is a is sort of a research area of mine that I’m passionate about. I never, never pulled the trigger on it. But I, I still want to get that done. And it’s something that hasn’t come up in other conversations with other guests. And it’s something that if people are looking at it, I do think it’s a good idea. And if the doctor can order it for them, I think it’s great. So the information, obviously, that your functional medicine doctor gained from that was obviously helpful.

Rita – Right, that was a great test, I recommend it to anybody it’s just amazing. And it just shows you so much about your body. Every little.

Clint – Will fatty acid profile comes up to, I think, on it, and so the two things that I’d be looking at, because a lot of the nutritional deficiencies and stuff, I believe that we can sort of correct by basically following a plant-based diet, exercising more microbiome improves. A lot of the stuff tends to sort of naturally go in the right direction when the body’s healing. But things like the fatty acid profile can be really helpful to put aside the concerns we might have if we’re saying, oh, you know, it’s low fat, am I getting enough of my fat? And that’s a really helpful analysis. And I think that the team over at the Goldberg clinic use, I don’t know if they use the Genova test, but they do this as one of their tests, getting that fatty acid profile, I believe, if I recall correctly. And so, yeah, it’s interesting if the doctor understands the results that mean that being a key part of it, then it’s a good test to get done. The infrared sauna, id you ever go and actually start your infrared saunas or was it something that you took note of and didn’t get to?

Rita – My functional medicine doctor suggested and she had one in her office that she rented out for so many minutes or something. And so I was lucky it was so convenient to just go there and sit for 10, 15 minutes or whatever, twice a week or something. And I think that was really important to detox the body. Cleanses are really good, too. I’ve kind of played a little bit with that, but not as seriously, you know, the celery and the cucumber and stuff like that. Yeah, it’s it was just I was just really lucky to come across this functional medicine doctor, because really back in two thousand eight there was nothing compared to what there is today online, the books that are available and material and even much healthier food. I mean, even though there’s gluten free processed food out there, I don’t really promote that to anybody because it’s still processed food. It’s just a marketing gimmick, you know, so they take out the wheat, but it’s still junk food. So I really steer away from, you know, I have an apple, have a plum, have a nectarine, you know, spice up in a pineapple. That’s my type of treat.

Clint – Ok, yeah. So Whole Foods, I mean that obviously, you know, humble but delicious approach.

Rita – Yep. Yep. Exactly. And see what else.

Clint – Well, I’ve got a couple other things I wanted to say, and I’ve taken a few other notes here. What do you think of all of these things that you did if you had to say which one you suspected was most important or would you be able to stab at a hierarchy of importance for other people who are wanting to, spend their hard earned money in one direction was the one thing above the other that you think was most crucial?

Rita – Well, getting somebody to guide you, first of all.

Clint – Right.

Rita – A coach, like yourself, the books, I think you have a wonderful book out, I understand I haven’t purchased it yet. I think that’s number one. And then I think know getting with the right coach or doctor, functional management, medical doctor, they can get you on the right supplements and then they can taper you off those supplements after a while. I’m not on that many supplements anymore. But I swear when I first saw her. I’ve lined up these bottles and I swear they went from one end of my snack bar to the other end and I thought, holy cow, you know, that’s a lot of supplements. And I just eventually just started feeling better and thought, OK, I don’t think I need this. I don’t think I need that. And I started kind of advocating what I was willing to take and what I wasn’t, because I feel that your body still has to process your kidneys, your liver. They all have to process those capsules. So be really careful about getting overwhelmed by too many capsules and supplements.

Clint – Yeah, I completely agree. And it can actually complicate your treatment plan. And so I consider every other supplement that you have to be another variable. And so if you’re keeping the same diet every day and then you start reintroducing foods or you start testing a different form of exercise on one part of your body and you’re waiting to see how your body responds. But if you then got all of these supplements, then every time you stop taking one or you add an extra sort of pill of another one, it’s a change. And you just then start questioning, was it the supplement or was it something else? So the more complicated, the less attractive. So I completely agree with your intuition that it is just let’s keep it simple. And you’re right, it’s all got to be metabolized through the liver and that poor liver is probably under stress. And all the detoxing that we do is to take the pressure off that liver. So we yeah, that was a smart thing there to start to negotiate and say, hey, I need that one because I’m eating good of better food or that food’s full of that potassium. Why should I need that, you know?

Rita – Right. Yeah, I think that having a coach, then, you know, they’re going to guide you. I’m really lucky because the functional medicine doctor was helping me with what I ate. So I do think that eating clean is a really good way to add to your healing, and body movement, awareness of your thoughts, and your breath. Oh, my gosh. I don’t think a lot of us know how we don’t even breathe correctly anymore. We’re stress changes to your pattern of breathing. And so,

Clint – Let’s talk about that a little bit more with your breath. What did you change with your breath after you started looking more at the at that area, the restorative yoga, the diabetic angle? What did you learn about your breath that you then changed? And what do you do to improve your breath?

Rita – Yeah, just remembering to check in with your breathing and and see where you are, especially if you’re in a hurry somewhere.

Be conscious of that and change. Just be conscious of your breath and listen to it, and then sometimes if you are stressed, take a nice deep breath and even hold your breath for so many seconds and then let it go with a big, you know, release and let all these toxins come out of your breath. That’s another way to release toxins, they say is breath, breath work. So, yeah, I think it also helped me to sleep at night. I do the three step where you breathe in three steps holding your breath and then you release it three steps out. And gosh, after four or five of those, I’m asleep and I use to have a hard time because I was in a lot of pain initially. I mean, I was shuffling around the house like an 80 year old woman. I couldn’t even lift my feet off the ground, they hurt so bad in my knees. So now I jump on a trampoline, I’ve got five grandchildren and I run around and play with them and do everything. Nothing has really stopped me.

Clint – Yeah, it’s extraordinary. It’s extraordinary because before we hit record to another doctor, was expecting that you might be about to start Humira as well before you were shown from a blood test that you were all clear and you didn’t need to start Humira as well when you had your elbow problem. So that I might be filling in a gap there that we missed in our conversation that you mentioned to me. But I don’t want you don’t want to let you off the hook here with this bloodwork. Can you walk us sorry, With the breathwork. Can you tell us the exact breath work you do before bed? Because so many people struggle with falling asleep, and I think it helps to go to sleep. I’ll follow along. You tell me what to do and I’ll do it.

Rita – Ok, so you’re just going to breathe in like, OK, I’ll just do it without giving the.

Clint – OK.

Rita – OK, so you just like you know, and you hold it. And then you just. Feel so good. it really relaxes you, (inaudible). You can feel it. So you do three, four or five of those and you can feel a difference right away. Huge difference in the way that your body it brings down any stress or any feeling of feeling anxious.

Clint – Yeah, yeah. We take a deep breath in, hold and then breathe out in three sections like one, two, three. Three in, hold.

Rita – And then hold it for seven, 10 seconds, 12 seconds, however you can, you can only hold two seconds initially, then just hold it and then just three out.

Clint – And lovely, lovely, thank you for that. OK, wonderful. Now, what else can I extract from you? You’re like a mind full of wonderful diamonds and it’s my job to try and get them out here. Tell us about your approach to exercise. You said that you got back into strength training and you were able to then lift 15 pounds after previously couldn’t hold a coffee cup because of the pain in the fingers.

Rita – I’ve always been a member of the gym, and I love working out and being strong because I’m petite, I’m 5’2″, one hundred and sixteen pounds now. But most of my life has been between one 111, one 112. So the weight training builds more muscle, which is good. Yeah. So. I was lifting 15 pounds bench press like 15 pounds and dumbbells each arm, I was bench pressing. I was doing leg press just I had a whole routine of every part of my body, back, chest, triceps, bicep. So I was quite into it. And it was just pathetic, when I got RA, I couldn’t even lift a coffee cup. And it was so scary, it was like, you know, and I’m talking about an empty coffee cup. I couldn’t even lift that it would be so painful. And my fingers I remember when I would go to dry my hands. Oh, my God, they were so painful, just I would block them to wash my hands. And I cook a lot, you know, and, you know, you’re always washing your hands and you’re washing food. So it was really painful to cook for me at the time. But back to the training in the gym, it took a while, but I was very patient and I just knew, you know, you really have to have a lot of intent and a lot of faith in yourself because these bodies that we have been given and that God created, they’re very intellectual. They know how to go back to being healthy if you give them, all the right substances. And, you know, my doctor, functional medicine doctor used to say it’s what you bathe your body in. So if you bathe it in bad, it treats you bad. If you beat it good, it treats you good. So I learned to bathe my body in good things yoga, meditation, prayer, strength training and all of it helps. And, you know, the more you do it, the better you feel and the more you want to do, it becomes almost addictive, you know. Because you feel so good when you do do it, and when you don’t do it, when you don’t feel so good. So that’s just a reminder when you don’t do it, you feel crappy. You just go, you know, I’m going to cut my tennis shoes on and go for a run or a walk or whatever it is. So, yeah, I’m back at the gym other than the pandemic closed everything down, so I’m not back at the gym, per say. But I was back at the gym shortly after. I would say maybe six months into it. I begin lifting a little by little and I even just going there sometimes I would need to spend very much time, but I’d see all these people that I was surrounded, working and being all muscular. And I wanted to just be around that kind of energy and it and and sometimes I would give myself a reason to leave after fifteen minutes or 30 minutes. But my usual workouts are about an hour, hour and a half.

Clint – And so it’s a solid workout. I agree with you.

Rita – But during that time it’s OK if you can only work out 10, 15 minutes, just going there gives you the motivation. You see other people and they’re your tribe, they’re your community.

Clint – I love it. It’s aspirational when you see people doing things that are on the same machine that you used and they’re doing a little more, you think, OK, you know, like I can see the direction to go there. It is, it’s your tribe, and it’s also the habit. The thing is, if we just go all the time and we build that habit and we’re just in the rhythm of showing up at that time, every single day, you almost can’t avoid improvements because you there constantly and you’re doing it and your body does respond. So love that, fantastic. A lot of the things you say are exactly the same things that a lot of us understand and think, and you’re a big action taker. You must have been able to allocate a lot of time for this. So how did you arrange your life to allocate so much time?

Rita – I think it’s just mind over matter. It’s like what’s important to you. I think a lot of people waste time fooling around with their phones, I mean, that’s a good hour’s worth of time wasted. Maybe, maybe not for all, because people are reading news and really educational things. But, you know, you just got to prioritize what’s important. And I think getting well was really important to me. You know, I look at this like if you were to go to war, you don’t take a swiss army knife with you, you know, and think you’re going to fight the war with this little knife. You take as much ammunition as possible. So that’s the same thing, you try strength training, you do yoga, meditation, prayer, supplements, plant-based food. You just try everything you. Why not? It’s really fun and I’m really grateful that actually I’m really grateful this happened to me. I was diagnosed with RA, because it really opened up my mind and my soul to a whole nother world. It taught me that I needed to be more mindful, become more aware and notice things, even my thoughts, you know, be more accepting of my life, being more accepting of people in my life. And it’s been a good thing, yeah, maybe I’m probably more healthy now than I was when I before even RA. I really do think at sixty-four, I feel like I’m thirty-four, I feel good, I feel great. Yeah, I have a lot of energy, I sleep well, you know, I garden so I grew a lot of my vegetables this year. And, you know, that takes a lot. If you can imagine having RA and the fingers how you couldn’t do anything like that before. I couldn’t. I lived in this property for 20 years where I live. And when I had gotten diagnosed, I couldn’t even I couldn’t garden, my fingers hurt too much. So I had to give it up for a couple of years, but now I’m back and it’s good.

Clint – Love it. Just on gardening, I think that’s another thing that you’re doing. You might not even be aware of the benefits of gardening. But there’s a book called The Blue Zones, and it’s an analysis of all of parts of the world where the people live the longest and the consistent daily activity in terms of exercise that most of the longest living people on earth do is gardening. That’s the number one longevity exercise. You know, it’s not as extreme as what we might need when we’re going through a sort of a poor health. We need to get out of that state, but once we’re into a maintenance phase, gardening is your number one thing you’re. There’s a correlation between length of life and quad strength. And so when you’re bent over and you’ve got bending your knees and you’re gardening, you’re constantly engaging your quadriceps. And I believe there’s a correlation there with strength in the legs and longevity and you’re in the sun and you’re in the soil, you’re touching the bacteria. All of this stuff is like back to nature. So a little bit of a sidetrack there. But, gosh, everything you’re doing is just so supportive of your goals. So it’s fantastic. There’s one thing you said before we hit record here that I wanted you to repeat, that your husband who’s passionate about golf and you’re passionate about health, what are the parallels there with your husband’s golf game?

Rita – Well, you know, I really made the connection. He’s a great golfer, golf’s three days a week, and he’s been golfing since he was ten years old. And so he’s a little bit older than me. So that tells you how many years he’s been golfing and he’s very healthy and still out there does not take a cart, he walks. So he is always perfecting his game. He’s watching videos, he gets out there and putts on our property. He still takes lessons that something goes south and he can’t get it back, you know? So what I learned is like, wow, you know, his passion is golf and he’s perfecting that every time he goes to play golf, almost every day, there’s some form of golf in his head. In fact, I think he’s watching the tournament on TV right now. So I just figured my thing is my passion is health and getting well, and so I am perfecting my game. My game is RA and I am perfecting that every day, it’s a part of my everyday life. So if a golfer can perfect his game, an RA person can perfect their life in the same way, just love it, be passionate about it, be patient, golfers have to be patient.

Rita – So. Yeah, it’s just it’s I think some people, they want a quick fix, you know, the medication is easier to just pop a pill and be done with it, but it does catch up with you later. I think, you know, because I have a sister that was diagnosed thirty, thirty five years ago and I’ve seen her go that route, she chose to do the medication. Of course maybe back then they didn’t have a lot of functional medicine and holistic and all the stuff we have today. So I saw that, and that’s when I knew I needed to go a different route for myself, I wanted something different.

Clint – Yeah. It’s a rough disease, there’s no doubt about it. And you have definitely defied the odds and the statistics to be able to sidestep the worst portions of it, as I said, rather start being on that medication roundabout that is is is common and unfortunately necessary where the disease is uncontrolled. But you’ve also managed to sidestep a lot of the symptoms as well from the disease itself. And you’ve turned this into something extraordinary. You have made health your mission, and you have drawn upon very resourcefully all of the opportunities for improvement around you. From getting the right tests done, you’re getting, doing the detoxing with the saunas, you go and getting your breathwork done, doing restorative yoga, and then getting back into tennis, weightlifting, hiking. You mentioned to me meditation, I mean, you really and of course, all the dietary side of things. So, you know, we know we need a holistic approach for this condition. And you have taken that to the absolute extreme and have addressed all aspects of your health. And the results are magnificent. So congratulations, what an outstanding achievement.

Rita – Thank you. Thank you. Well, it’s, um, it’s it has definitely not been easy. It’s been hard work, but it’s been so rewarding. And I would have never done it any other way just so I could get through it faster. The journey has been really a great learning experience for me. And, you know, I just embraced it. And when I got R.A. or when I was diagnosed, let me say it that way, I guess I didn’t say, why me? Why did I get this? Poor me. I looked at it and embraced it and said, OK, what does this mean? What is my body trying to tell me? What is my mind trying to tell me? And then slowly but surely I figured it out that I needed to slow down, and I needed to eat better, and I needed to breathe better, and I needed to have more just awareness and attention to myself. And it’s a lot of self care. But heck, why not spoil our self? It’s worth. You know, it’s nice to kind of take care of yourself.

Clint – Oh, most definitely know. When he was speaking there, I had a little insight. When we get deep into a career path, it becomes more and more esoteric and more and more niche. But when we go on a health path, it becomes more and more humble and more and more common sense. So we get away from the complex and we have to unravel and actually let go of our extreme academic mind and just say, I’m going to eat some simple foods. I got to go out and get back into nature. I’m going to get a move my body more. I have to relax and breathe better. You know, it’s so humbling for those for most of us who have these careers that we’re passionate about in real estate with your husband probably had a great business and everything and, you know, just focused on that. And really, health is about, unwinding the brain and getting back to real fundamentals. We are a mammal on a piece of dirt.

Rita – Yeah, it so simple, really, I mean, it’s not complicated, you can make it complicated in your head like this is so much to do, but it’s really not. It’s very simple. And I think what it is, is just trying to be human again. And I think we’ve lost sight of that. I think we become unhuman, which caused the stress and the complicated lifestyle that we’re living. So I think if you can find a simple way to live, you know, I think it’s kind of the key because it lowers the stress level and you gave yourself some good simple food that was created for our kind of temples. And we should honor these temples, they’re not here forever. So they serve us well, we put a lot of miles on them and I think they deserve to be treated well,

Clint – Yeah, well said. All right, well, thank you very much, this has been a really enjoyable conversation and I wish you ongoing wonderful health.

Rita – Well, thank you. And I hope this inspires others. If it’s just one person that makes me happy, but hopefully it’ll be others and many. So thank you for all that you do. Keep doing it. And I love following you. It’s great. You’re wonderful.