We discuss in this interview:

• Chase’s journey overcoming major pain thanks to the Paddison Program
• How she fell off the Program after healing, and how symptoms came back at full force
• Various medications and side effects
• Coming off drugs the right way
• The importance of sweating
• The “maximum health, minimum symptoms” approach
• A healthy daily routine
• A correct calories intake
• Juice cleansing

Clint – Today’s guest on the podcast, her name is Chase, and she’s a delightful, young, vibrant, sprightly, happy person, partly due to her natural personality, but also because she has transformed her health with rheumatoid arthritis. She’s going to share with us today how she did it and walk through each of the strategies that she used. Chase, thanks for joining us today. Give us an insight into your level of before and after.

Chase – Yeah, thank you. So a couple of years ago, I was barely able to walk, I lived a life filled with immense amounts of pain. And then I surrendered to medicine and changed my life around diet changes, and lifestyle changes. I used to be on Enbrel, Humira, methotrexate, prednisone, everything, I tried everything, including Xeljanz. Yeah, I just made some changes, and now I’m taking Enbrel very lightly every 6 weeks to 2 months if needed. But yeah, I’m going I’m doing great.

Clint – Yeah. Amazing. So when you were diagnosed, how old are you and what did you do prior to what you just described?

Chase – Okay. So I was diagnosed at age 21. I was 21 when I was first diagnosed. And so I said, What did I do prior?

Clint – Yeah. What did you try and do? Did you go straight on the drugs? Did you try and do things naturally? Were you in denial? Did you say ignore medical advice? What was your response?

Chase – So when I first got diagnosed, I immediately discovered you and I changed my life. I went vegan, I went from the standard American diet to your protocol, and it was really hard then. It felt so extreme, but I did it and I was able to pretty much not cure but live symptom-free for about a year. And then I fell off track, I started just drinking again, eating everything under the sun again because I felt so good, and then I spent a year of living normally. Then a year after that, pretty much everything came back, all the symptoms, I was in a lot of pain. That time, I really tried hard to avoid medication. I tried everything, diets, everything, and my pain wouldn’t go away. And through listening to your podcast, actually, I remember I would just listen to your podcast 24/7. I Remember you saying, sometimes you need to have medication and the diet and that’s like the sweet spot. So I surrendered and was on methotrexate, Humira and prednisone. Now I’m on Enbrel, I had some issues with Humira, but yeah, I was on major drugs and it was terrible. I’d wake up in the morning and feel like I needed to go back to sleep. It was so bad I had to take time off work.

Clint – What side effects did you have from the Enbrel? You said that didn’t work for you. You also mentioned Xeljanz maybe just before the call or earlier. Tell me, like, what was the decision process around switching off of those medications?

Chase – So Xeljanz gave me extreme chest pain, which was very scary. Like it gave me chest pain, heart palpitations, and anxiety. I think when you change your life around and you’re eating clean, I think you really do listen internally a little more. And so that Xeljanz completely affected me terribly, it really freaked me out. With Humira, I would get chronic UTI symptoms, but no UTI, which is just extremely painful and bothersome in many ways. And I would go to the doctor and the gynecologist and they would prescribe me antibiotics and antibiotics and antibiotics. I was like, they’re like, Yeah, you have the symptoms, so you must have UTI, but nothing showing up because of antibiotics. And I was just like I kind of intuitively knew it was the Humira. So I switched to Enbrel and I do not have I didn’t have that problem.

Clint – It’s interesting because they have the same mechanism. They’re both TNF Alpha medications. Did the rheumatologist give you some kind of disclaimer and say, hey, you might get the exact same effect with Enbrel?

Chase – Yes, she did, because she also told me they’re very similar. Maybe it was a fluke, I don’t know. Maybe I just haven’t had that happen to me since switching. And maybe my body got cleaner or, I don’t know. But I have a feeling it kind of was the Humira, I don’t know but it’s interesting.

Clint – Oh, definitely, this stuff’s fascinating. And tell me about the prednisone. What dosage were you put on? Were you put on one of these med drill packs where you start high and then you taper down? Or were you given discretionary instructions and you could take prednisone as you needed it and tell me how you got off that drug? And also tell me how it made you feel.

Chase – So prednisone, made me feel better, but also worse at the same time. It gave me like a little boost of energy, but it just made me feel just yucky. I don’t know how to describe it, It just made me feel swollen, and just I don’t know. And so I don’t know the exact dosage that I started, but it was an as-needed basis. I didn’t stay on prednisone for too long because it just didn’t make me feel very good, I just figured, hey, the less the better. I think with being on methotrexate and Humira at the same time, at that point, the methotrexate was wiping me out so much that because I was on the highest dose of methotrexate and I’m not in the dosages, but I was on the highest. I think I was taking like 8 or 10 pills a week. I don’t know the dosage though. So I wasn’t on prednisone for all too long, I didn’t really like it.

Clint – Yeah. Good. Now, for the people who are currently on those medications, who are listening to this or watching this, how did you get off them?

Chase – Yes, The question of the hour. So I gradually weaned off of them once I started to feel better. And I was very patient with myself because I didn’t want to get off and just suffer anymore. I spent about 6 months of complete suffering and fighting, taking the medication. I actually had got a coach, I was like, Please, anybody out there, help me be healthy, you know? RA is clearly taking away your quality of life. So, you know, maybe for just a sliver of your life, you’ll need to be on medication. So what? And if you do the right steps, you can eventually get off of them. Right? And I was like, Yeah, I never thought of it like that, like. So I started eating very clean, I followed pretty much your protocol. I would add I would say I did a mix of your protocol along with like a medical medium lifestyle. Yeah. So just pretty much whole plant-based Whole Foods, highly raw, a lot of juices, I love juicing, I’m really big on juice cleanses. I think that they’re amazing for people that are trying to heal. And then I also started to just walk, at first, I got a dog. I got a dog which is a puppy which I really recommend to anybody. If you’re taking time off work like I was and I was lonely. My dog just came into my life, I didn’t actually seek him out, but he just came to me and he helped me get out and walk. And then walking led to jogging and then jogging led to being able to do yoga. It was just a slow, gradual process I mean, it took me about probably like 6 months, but yeah, I think like, oh, meditation too was huge for me. Yeah. All those things. Sunshine is very important.

Clint – Good. Well, you’ve certainly touched upon a lot of the things that we recommend and that have got scientific evidence to support their approach for rheumatoid arthritis improvement. And I apologize if people are wondering about my voice, it’s got a little bit of blockage there but we’re going to get through this podcast. The sunshine helps with the near-infrared radiation, which can stimulate melatonin inside ourselves to reduce oxidative stress. Probably that’s a contributor as well as just feeling good. You’ve talked about starting out with walking, so you’ve started really slowly and walking whilst isn’t therapeutically rheumatoid arthritis reversal level, as you said, it’s a platform to get you to something that is which is something more cardiovascular heavy, which is the running. And that could have been something else. It could have been the elliptical, it could have been a rowing machine, it could have been a stationary bike. But you’ve gone running, which you were allowed to do because your knees are obviously okay, ankles and feet. So if people are thinking there’s no way I can run, it’s not running it’s cardiovascular energy, it energy usage and it’s increasing your fitness levels. We know that your level of fitness, your VO2 max, which is measurable, is directly inversely proportional to inflammation in people over the age of 60 in studies. So we can extrapolate that to young people and we can say that if you are fitter, you have less inflammation. So we must get fitter and you’ve done that via running, which is wonderful. You then mentioned you went into yoga, which is a strategy that obviously I used for many, many years. Let’s talk about yoga and whether or not you have prioritised that over running or if you maintain a mixed bag of exercise and how the exercise, in general, made your life better.

Chase – Yes. So at first, I wasn’t too into yoga because I was too intimidated. So I would run a lot, I would run like 5 to 6 miles when I was feeling good, like every single day religiously. Now that I’m into yoga for the last, I would say like 5, 6 months, I do a mix of yoga and running and I don’t run as much as I did. I just focus more so on breaking a sweat then the miles I run. Like my kind of my intention is different. I’m not like, okay, I have to get this five miles done. I’m just like, I just want to break a sweat, get the blood flowing, you know, release some toxins, and then I’m good. And yoga, I prefer hot yoga, sweat out all the toxins and stuff. But yeah, now we do a mix and I find that that’s just a lot easier on my body, and I’m really happy with my thing I got going here now.

Clint – Yeah. Fabulous. And you know, when I used to attend a Bikram style yoga with they now called 26 and 2 some studios, there used to be some people who had grown in the change room and say, you can’t sweat out toxins it’s all just B.S. that they come up with and so on to make it sound like there are additional benefits. But the studies show that you can eliminate not just heavy metals, but also pesticides preferentially through your sweat. And so we know that sweating is a detoxification mechanism. And in fact, if people have concerns around heavy metals and pesticides, that is the preferential approach go and sweat. And let me add that the studies are equally supportive for exercise as a mechanism independently of the sweating mechanism. So exercise and sweat, that’s how you get rid of heavy metals and pesticides. So it is scientifically supported and what you’re doing is obviously effective. And I also like this combination with exercise as well because when I used to only go to Bikram yoga man did I, I started to resent it terribly because it was exhausting and it was just like almost like a job I didn’t want to have to do, but I felt there was no other way of earning an income. Does that make sense? And so mixing it up makes life much richer, with different modalities to exercise.

Chase – I totally, totally agree because when I wasn’t feeling good, I think I resorted more to yoga and then it did become quite a job. Yeah. So I think diversity is just important in general because I think too when you have RA, we get very fixated on the details. I think that’s like our personalities like we’re all usually type-A personalities and we have to go every day. And so I think like just kind of shedding that, like, narrative of having to have things. Also really important for healing your disease or just healing in general?

Clint – Um. How did you space the Enbrel? How did you go about it? Where did you get the idea and what were any hiccups that you faced?

Chase – So I was starting to feel little to no pain, and my new RA doctor who was very supportive. I’m very lucky because my rheumatologist now, her goal is always to get you off of medication. She doesn’t want you to be on medication forever, which my previous rheumatologist wanted. And she told me that she has a patient who comes in once every 6 months for an Enbrel injection. So I was like, Oh, you could take Enbrel as needed. And she was like, Yeah, she’s like, pretty much. And I was like, Oh, well, I want to do that then I’m so I’m just going to then because I was taking it once a week and although I liked Enbrel, it was also giving me really bad bloating and digestive issues. Like, I would eat anything and my stomach, I wouldn’t even be able to fit into sweat pants of mine because it was just so like it literally like I felt like I had like a nine-month-old baby in there and I was like, nothing fits me. And it was just from Enbrel.

Clint – Hmm. Okay. So you’ve run with the idea from the rheumatologist who’s definitely talking differently to the majority. Our rheumatologist Dr. Nisha Manek, who comes on our live calls, people in our membership, she also talks about the paradigm shift of rheumatology and that it used to be, go on the drugs, take them for the rest of your life there’s no questions. However, she’s talked about the last few years on these live calls about how there are now discussions that are being had not just patient to the rheumatologist, but among rheumatologists. That if you are able to do the evidence-based interactions as a patient and you are seeing symptoms come down, then yes, you can taper this drug, you can potentially come off that drug. So they’ve just begun discussions, which I think will take 10, 15 years to become mainstream. I’m hoping to play my part, and I hope my book has a disruptive effect on the whole rheumatology approach. That would that would be awesome, but probably a little bit ambitious thinking, but you can think big, right? But with stories like yours and everyone else who’s come before you on this show, we know what’s possible, we know what can be done. And so, yes, it’s good that the rheumatologist is talking about that. I’d be interested in chatting with her, she sounds like someone who’s on our team.

Chase – Yeah, she is awesome. The only thing is that she is not on board yet with like the diet correlation. Like I’ve kind of mentioned a couple of things and she’s like, looks at me like I’m like, Yeah, I stopped drinking coffee and like, my wrist isn’t hurt anymore. And she’s like, Hmm. And I’m like, No, I’m serious. Like, know. So I think that one might be a tough, tough to crack, but she’s. She’s awesome.

Clint – It’s so funny, isn’t it? Yeah. Yeah, sort of. Once a leopard, always a leopard sort of thing. Or once a koala, always a koala. But at least as part of her thought process that is on board with what patients want. Right?

Chase – Which is awesome because it’s really. It just feels so suffocating and lonely to be on the other end When you have a doc, a rheumatologist that doesn’t really care.

Clint – Totally. And for newbies to this podcast, if this is the first one you’ve watched, we are all about maximum health, and minimum symptoms. If that means some lower drugs then great. As you said earlier, Chase, I advocate for us to have as little symptoms as possible, if that means medications, embrace the medications. 30 years ago, we didn’t have access to the ones that we have today. It was gold injections and prednisone. And it wasn’t a pretty landscape. So do what we need to do, get the inflammation down. Because inflammation, irrespective of where it is in the body, causes intestinal permeability. We cannot heal if we are waking up in the morning with blown up, knees, elbows, and fingers all inflamed. If we’re 5, 6, 7 out of ten in the morning, we’re leaky gut or we’re already generating more immunoreactive proteins into our body to deal with via a leaky gut cycle, we’ve got to get the inflammation down. Chase, I want to learn more from you. You’ve achieved incredible things. You’ve come off these medications, you’ve spaced the Enbrel, you’re exercising daily, you’re sweating regularly, and you’re eating the cleanest, most evidence-backed diet. You got some mindset guidance. What does your day look like? Let’s create an image of your day for people so that they can see. Right. That’s something I can do to talk us through it. Please.

Chase – Okay. Yeah. So when wake up the first thing I do is take my dog out for a walk. So get out for a walk, take him to use the restroom. At that point, if I’m not going to 6 a.m. yoga, then I’ll go for a run like a 3 mile something just light. And if I’m not doing that, I’m also just playing fetch with my dog walking as I’m doing that for about an hour. That’s usually always how I start my day. Then come home and I will make breakfast, which is usually just fresh fruit or a smoothie. I like to juice a lot too, so maybe I’ll prep some juice to take to work. Usually I’ll take like, it’s so funny. I’ll take like 64-ounce gallons of juice to work and my coworkers are like, you’re crazy. But I juice a lot of melons because they produce a lot. So that’s a tip for anyone. But yeah, that’s what every day of mine looks like that in the morning and then I’ll go to work. I usually don’t start work till around noon, so I’m pretty lucky in that way. So yeah, I’ll go to work and then come home, make dinner, and it’s usually something cooked or not depending on my mood. And yeah, that I will try to do something that will call my mind down once the sun goes down, like try to read. Or it ends up sometimes just being looking at my phone, which is really bad, but just trying to calm down, reset, and then I go to bed pretty early. Sometimes I’ll try to do like a little meditation or I’ll go to 5 p.m. yoga if I didn’t do the 6 a.m. yoga, so that’s a really good way to wind down as well. Then I just get ready for bed, I go to bed pretty early. I like to get up early, so that’s pretty much every day.

Clint – Yeah. What time do you get up?

Chase – I would say anywhere from 5 to 7. I go through periods where sometimes five is a little early and then. But yeah, no, never really later than seven.

Clint – Okay. And I’m not hearing much calories in your diet. Where do you get the bulk of your energy from?

Chase – Yes. So I would say fruit is like my best friend because I can just bring bananas, bring apples, bring dates anywhere. And I’m always snacking on things. The smoothies that I make are extremely, extremely dense. I have a Vitamix and I will make almost the entire vitamin mix like 3/4 of the way full. So sometimes that’s like ends up being close to like 50 ounces of a smoothie. So I load it up, spinach put a ton of bananas, dates, blueberries, hemp seeds, and flax seeds. Sometimes I’ll put some nuts in there too, just a couple. Just make sure that I’m satiated for the day. And so, yeah, I pack it all in, and then for dinner I do a lot of like rice and beans and pretty much vegetables and greens. So greens I usually do like rice or quinoa and just the veggie. I usually like to see my veggies, I like to do low oil. I’m not completely against oil, but right now because I’m feeling good, but I find that it just feels a little too heavy for me now. I prefer just steamed and I will do a little bit of salt sometimes. I like lemon on pretty much everything, I love lemon. So yeah, that’s pretty much it. And I just have a lot of fruit stocked up. I will really go to work with like a full 64 ounce of like watermelon juice and then sometimes even 232 ounce of like honeydew melon juice or cantaloupe juice. And that really keeps me going throughout the day, along with a smoothie or along with anything else.

Clint – Thank you. That’s the sort of detail I was after. Your diet’s outstanding. The amount of greens in there create a free passage way for so many other foods, and you haven’t even included other foods that are problematic. I always say, like, if you I used to eat hot chips with salad so that I could eat the hot chips I found I could cheat hot chips into my diet with salad. But if you don’t eat the salad, those hot chips will give you some serious trouble. So they are a very effective way of eating safely, and so your green smoothies are packed with them. Your evening meal, you’re eating with leafy greens. But even then, it’s beans, rice. I mean, there’s nothing even frightening in there. So no wonder you feel good. I mean, when you’re getting so much nutrition at the at highest level like you are, you can’t not do well. And then you’re active, you’re sweating. Many, many people can get the diet right. But then wonder what’s missing, and what’s missing is the other 50% of the whole process, which is being very active and becoming fit. With fitness comes sweat, with fitness comes anti-inflammatory effects. With fitness comes a fitness mentality, which is I’m going to be active today and it’s self cycles into an existence of positivity. You’re glowing, you look like you’re your ideal weight. So for people who are concerned listening to this, who can’t see you on video, you look fantastic, your skin’s glowing, you’re vibrant. You look, as I said, that you’re at the weight that you should be. I mean, does it feel like that to you as well?

Chase – Totally. I feel like people have issues with how I eat because they’re like, where’s your food? You know? And I’m and actually, I think I overeat sometimes because I have bad habits of overeating on like the standard American diet. So I actually feel like I overeat sometimes. And, but I feel like other people have issues with I eat, but I don’t. And I feel like it’s fine. And I yeah, I like it. I love it.

Clint – Yeah, absolutely. There’s something once you get used to eating green smoothie or consuming green smoothies and drinking juice, it’s highly addictive because you just buzz afterward. We all laugh in our family when my wife puts makes a big, wild blueberry smoothie with bananas and the special mix that she puts together. We’re all on crack after that. Like, we’re all just, you know, the kids start jumping around. It’s like they’ve had candy, but it’s wrapped in the green, a leafy green mix that’s super healthy. So, yeah, it’s definitely a pick me up, you have high vibrational energy, you feel great. None of us in our community, unless we have a diagnosis of type one diabetes or type two, and we haven’t gotten control of it yet, which we will if we do have it need to be concerned with a little sugar spike from fruits. No one needs to be concerned, that’s natural, that’s wonderful. That’s our body gaining quick fuel from foods that we are configured to eat. So yeah, we need not be concerned with feeling wonderfully energized from a healthy green smoothie.

Chase – That’s how juice is for me, too. I invested in a great juicer, it’s like the Nama J2, and it saves so much time. I just throw a ton of fruit in there. It makes me so much juice, and I buzz after I drink juice. I only started juicing this year. My eyes were very yellow in January of this year. And I looked in the mirror and I felt sick, really sick. So I think because I just have had a lot of buildup from medication and I was like, I’m going to do a juice cleanse. And I thought I was just going to do 3 to 5 days and I ended up doing 30. And I think that that like just transformed my health. I feel like ever since then my clients at work, they’re like, Oh my God, you are glowing. Like, What are you doing? And I’m like, I’m just I did a big juice cleanse, kind of cleared myself out and then I just feel like I’m still juicing regularly. And it’s been it just. Providing me with so much hydration and yeah. I buzz after I juice.

Clint – Yeah. Couldn’t agree more. When we do our celery cucumber juices from time to time in our family which we don’t just family of five, three young kids, it’s hard to do it as much when you’re in your 20’s as opposed to, you know, mid-forties, but when we do, it’s the same. And even though there’s very little sugar in the cucumber celery, we still feel vibrant, clarity of thought, just feel really, really good. It is, it is a really powerful strategy. And the critics of juicing is, but you’ve just gotten rid of all the fiber and the fiber is what feeds your gut bacteria. The fiber helps to slow the transition of the glucose into the cells, the fiber this, the fiber that. And I’m all about fiber. I’m like, that’s one of the reasons why our program works so well is because all the fiber. However, you don’t need to have fiber in everything when you’re already eating so much fiber. So you’ve basically extracted the minerals, the antioxidants and, as you said, the hydration. And you’ve taken that component and you let in all of the beans and rice and all the other things that you’re eating. Let that bring some fiber into your diet, of which there is an abundance. And so don’t worry about taking some fiber out for some green juices. People who are listening, not you, chase, you’re obviously all over this. It is a strategy that complements all of the eating. And it’s like a supplement almost, it just augments the outcome. If you’re not doing green juices, get into them.

Chase – Definitely.

Clint – Chase. Tell us what else we’ve missed. If we were to say, have we covered everything? Are there some other things that you do that you think are important to share?

Chase – Yeah. I think it’s super important to share. Like when you fall off track because actually recently this year, although I’m doing great right now, I did fall off track for about a month. I wouldn’t even say I fell off track, but I discovered this doctor like on Instagram and he was saying how. He was talking a lot about eating meats, and I got really curious and I decided to introduce meat for like three weeks. And it set me back like for about a 2 month period. I started feeling pain almost everywhere within three weeks, and I felt like such a failure and I was so hard on myself. And now that I knew what to do to get out of it, I just started pretty much exactly what I was doing before, juicing Whole Foods, plant-based, highly raw, whatever you want to call it. And now I’m like thankful for that period because it kind of just helped me get even stronger into doing the right things. It kind of was like a little reminder like, hey, you know, get back on track. And I think a lot of people like fall off track and they get so hard on themselves. So maybe like to not be harming yourself off track. I think that’s really important because everything is just like a little lesson and we’re not perfect and we’re it’s hard when you see everybody, you know, when you’re everybody’s eating everything else and people are like, where is your food and what’s this? It gets hard, but I guess that’s important to mention.

Clint – Yeah. The way I’ve written that in my book is the deafening noise of unhelpful others, it’s just insane. The number of people who have opinions willing to share it, but who have no knowledge of the science and all we should pay attention to is the science. Did you know there’s not one single medical paper that says you should eat more meat if you have rheumatoid arthritis? There is published medical papers on virtually everything. The weirdest stuff you could ever imagine. Someone’s done a study on it and come to a conclusion. Well, there’s no study that’s ever concluded we need to eat more meat. And all the studies show we need to eat more plants. So let us not fall off the path, let us not be attracted to these shiny objects just because it’s a doctor, just because they have 2 million followers, just because they’re convincing and they’ve got a high quality video production team making everything look really slick. The science says that they’re wrong and therefore ignore them and swipe away from those unhelpful, noisy others. That was a really good point, we’ve all fallen off track and it’s easy to do so. I fell off track a few years ago, that cost me terribly. The inflammation went to my damaged knee, I had to get a knee replacement, something I didn’t think I’d have to do for another 15 years.

Clint – So when these things happen, it helps us to be stronger and we try to lose as little cartilage as we can before we get back on track. And my setback helped me write about 80 pages of my book because of all the lessons I learned during that period. So good comes from these things and you only sit back by 3 months, which is which is pretty acceptable given the degree of lesson that you got. Right? You would trade that off for the life lesson that you got. So that was excellent. Yes. We all fall off track and it’s okay. I just sat through a two hour presentation by one of the world’s best mindset coaches. I was hosting a conference and they have these inspirational special guests that they pay huge money for to come and make the delegates all improve so the company does better. And whenever we’re faced with adversity, this is the little routine that we should do. It is to, first of all, stop, take a deep breath, and then we have to say to ourselves, I accept this, that it’s out of my control. Then what we do is we say, what can I do right now to take action to make this better? And then we roll out the action and acknowledge our physiology to make sure that we’re in a position of power and not in a position of disempowerment. And if our physiology is right and we ask the right question, what can we do right now? And we accept that this is out of our control, that our body has reacted to the food due to its acidic nature, its allergenic, protein creation, high fat content imbalance with your current gut microbiome, the food poor match, the creation of bacteria that’s unsupportive for intestinal permeability. All this happens and you’re that’s out of your control. But what you can control is the next meal that you make, the next smoothie that you have, the time you get up in the morning to go for that run, the conversations you have with yourself, the sunshine that you get. These are your decisions. They are under your control, and we therefore can slowly, slowly taper off the impact of that sort of short term eating imperfection and take that massive lesson. We’re always going to have these things happen to us and we can apply this strategy. And I’ve adopted this just in the last week, and I just feel so much happier because accepting that things are out of our control is the first step to not letting that thing dominate our life. I love these, I love uncovering these gems from you, Chase. Is there anything else you’d like to share?

Chase – No, not really. I mean. Yeah. Yeah. Like, it’s pretty much it.

Clint – What’s next for you then? I mean, you’re in your mid early twenties, you’ve just learnt the sorts of lifestyle lessons that some people will never learn because they’ve never going to develop an autoimmune disease or they’re in denial that things like this can help them. You’ve got the world at your feet. You live in California, suns out, you’re feeling good. I mean, where do you want to go? What is your dream?

Chase – Well. If we’re talking work wise. I do love what I do. I’m a hairstylist and I do love it, but it is a little bit hard on my joints and just standing. And it is pretty tough sometimes, I’m starting to realize that having a disease. So a part of me is kind of considering health coaching. That’s honestly kind of in my thoughts right now. I definitely want to have kids to like I definitely want kids. So I think for me right now, my main thing is to just get as healthy as possible. So when it is time for me to have kids, hopefully I won’t have to worry about medications or I won’t have complications with pain. Or because I do hear that sometimes women get pregnant and then they have their baby, a lot of symptoms can arise again or things like that. So just trying to get as healthy as possible is like my goal right now in the future. Yeah, I guess prepare for that next chapter of starting a family.

Clint – Very, very wise, wise words there because first of all, just to comment on career change and heading in that direction, I was part of a business community very similar to rheumatoid support our community for people with R.A., I was part of a business community. And in that community someone knew of my work and they messaged me and said, Clint, I’ve just been diagnosed with cancer and I want to overcome cancer and I want to create a business right now, and I’m going to blog and create content and even a course all associated with my recovery from cancer. What platform should I use, which is the best social media outlet? Basically, business related questions about health businesses like ALS. And my response was this Concentrate on getting well, once you’re well, contact me again. Okay. Now, he said a year later that at the time that really annoyed him because I wasn’t helping him at all, I didn’t offer him any advice. However, similarly, he added, now this is a year later, he said, what I went through over the next three or four months was so challenging. I look back now and realize that the last thing that I should have been trying to do, which he didn’t do, was trying to start a new business and share. He said that I gave him, in hindsight, the best possible advice, and that’s how I feel, because that’s what I went through. I didn’t tell anyone. I was never a blogger while I was trying to get well, I created some little documentary style videos for myself. But the last thing I wanted to do was blog about day 8, day 9, publicly, I was miserable.

Clint – So all the energy has to get in, go to getting well. That’s all that matters. Get well, then there’s plenty of life ahead to tell people how to go about it, to what works. And the idea around the health coaching is fabulous, why not? We’re looking at, you know, you had the sort of a live kind of contact with someone. We’re looking at setting that up at the moment. So maybe it’s something that, maybe there’s a roll down the down the track for yourself in our business, I’m looking at taking people on right now for that. So what a great strategy you have. And the children factor, don’t plant the seed that symptoms could return during or after childbirth. Yes, it happens. But how often does it happen to people who are on a plant based diet, who do yoga all the time, who understand the science behind rheumatoid arthritis, who know the intricacies of being well? It happens but the statistics are all for people on a Western diet. We don’t know the likelihood if you’re eating wonderfully and you’re really healthy and fit. So don’t even put that out there, don’t even put that out there. Things are going to be fantastic and visualize continued, extended, perpetual health because that can be yours.

Chase – Yeah. I thank you so much for those words, those were awesome. And I feel like in a way, you know, this is almost like a gift to always keep my health on track because I think about it and I’m like, if I didn’t have RA and I’m sure you even feel the same. If you didn’t have RA, you would not be so in tune with being healthy. So, it really is a gift and I feel like we all I feel like autoimmune in general is just on the rise right now. And it’s because I think it’s just humanity. Like, we need to wake up and we need to make changes, we need to have Whole Foods, plant based diets, eat a lot of fruit, like stay hydrated, you know, do these things. And so in a way, it’s like we are like the teachers of this time, like we have this special gift of like knowledge to spread to people, be examples, kind of.

Clint – I love it. Yeah, well, you’ve been a wonderful example for us today, and we’ve overcome a few little things here. We haven’t had the best internet connection. I’ve got a weird voice, but we got through it. And as long as the message gets over the bar, that’s okay. That’s okay. And we certainly have done that I hope to people who’ve watched this episode or listen to this. We appreciate you listening and watching and and thank you for sharing. Thank you for being part of our community that puts their hand up and say, hey, this is what I’ve done, because more stories like yours eventually create this feeling that we can all massively improve our health. So thank you, Chase. I’m very grateful for you for sharing today.

Chase – Thank you so much. Thank you for all that you’ve done because you’ve been a huge contributor to my health, for sure. You’ve been a huge contributor.