We discuss in this interview:

• Benita’s healing journey and the instant results she got with the Paddison Program
• How Benita received free access to Rheumatoid Solutions via our sponsorship program
• Methotrexate strategies
• RA medications and pregnancy
• The real nature of prednisone and its side effects
• The importance of starting the healing as soon as possible
• How Benita has been able to get back to work thanks to the Program
• The impact her recovery has had on her family
• Pilates, Yoga and establishing a routine
• Quercetin and other antioxidants

Clint: Here we go again with another episode of happiness, joy, and transformation. I have with me in this episode, Benita. Now she has started our program because of the generous sponsorship of one of our success stories who remains anonymous, who generously allowed several members of our community to get free help and a free entry into our support and program. Now, Benita was a recipient and today she’s going to share with us how much she has achieved in just a few months since she began. She takes prednisone and she’s also on methotrexate. We’re going to learn about how those drugs have shifted, if at all, and we’re also going to learn about her symptom improvements and the effect that it’s had on her family. She’s given me a couple of little snippets of what that looks like, and it’s really heartwarming. She’s also got several tips about things that she does that she emphasizes that really helps her in addition to just doing the program that we know. And therefore, it’s going to be a great conversation. Benita, thank you so much for being with me today.

Benita: Oh, thank you for having me. It’s my pleasure.

Clint: So I’ve set this up. You give us this sort of summary now of maybe a few months ago and your feeling and how your day looked compared to how your day looks now.

Benita: Yeah, sure. So back in May, June, July, I was very, very sick. I’ve had rheumatoid arthritis for 11 and a half years and I think I hit rock bottom earlier this year. Actually, I noticed an association with my third Pfizer vaccination. I would be in a hot bath in the morning trying to warm up my joints and my hands so that I could move for the day, for the morning. I was sleeping ten, 11 hours at night and also feeling very tired and lethargic and needing to have naps during the day. I got two children at school, and they’re very active and my husband’s been very, very supportive. I was on 10 milligrams of cortisone, I was actually on 15 milligrams of cortisone earlier this year, so I’ve got down to ten but it was very painful. So I’d actually come across your program years ago, three years ago. My aunty put it in front of me and didn’t just sit on the fence for quite a while about it, I wasn’t quite ready for it maybe. I don’t know. I wish I’d started it earlier. But anyway, you know, sometimes these things appear back in your life for a good reason, and it was the right time. So I was unable to use my hands very much at all. I had immense swelling in my wrists, so I couldn’t see them push the car door open. Driving the steering wheel was painful. I wasn’t able to cook or clean or help my husband, who did all the kids lunches, dinners, washing up everything. I couldn’t wipe a bench. I couldn’t pull my socks on. My kids helped me get dressed in the morning and put the bra on. It was really difficult being cared for. I’m a very active, outgoing person, normally.

Benita: So I think when it’s presented again, I think I saw an advert again for the Paddison Program I remembered and I had a look and I watched some other people’s testimonies and I was right. Yep, this is it, I’m going to do this, I can do this. There can’t be anything worse than how I feel now. Whatever diet, it doesn’t matter. Like, it can’t be as bad as how I’m feeling. So I jumped into it, I talked to my rheumatologist and he’d been trying to get me on methotrexate again. So I had trialed a few years ago with the injections and I found that quite traumatic actually, and I didn’t find it worked very well and I felt like I was sick a lot of the time. But this time I was focusing back then on all of the side effects when I was on it. Whereas this time I was like, I’m going to focus on all of the people out there, all the good stories, all the success stories, and all the people that methotrexate has helped. So I took a different angle on it and I took the tablets because I also learnt that it doesn’t upset your tummy like the prednisone does and I needed to get on the methotrexate to be able to taper off the cortisone, which is really what’s ruined my diet over ten years on and off of taking it.

Benita: So the healing journey began, and it didn’t take long. It took me three days, I did the water fasting and some salads and juices in the first day, two days. And I was very, very nervous about the caffeine headache because that’s been migraine like for the last few times. I’ve tried to quit caffeine and it was nothing, it was a few hours in the afternoon of a light headache, and I think I put that down to I associate that with being water fasting and not having oils or other things in my diet. So that was a smooth transition and I just could not believe how I woke up on that third and fourth day. I’d had 7 hours or 8 hours of sleep. I was instantly shocked when I woke up in the morning. I had energy, my joints, the inflammation had reduced three quarters, three quarters. And yeah, I was just so excited to be alive again. I was jumping around and doing things and yeah, this was it, I was sold. I was like, There’s nothing that tastes as good as how I feel right now. So I was sold with just the first four days.

Clint: Yeah, absolutely. Now, how was the timing on the methotrexate? Because when you just told that story, it sounded like you took the methotrexate, and then you started the program at the same time. And for people who don’t know the details of methotrexate, which tends to take four weeks before it actually starts working, can you just clarify some timings there?

Benita: Yeah, sure. So actually started the program right about when I started the methotrexate, like maybe I started the methotrexate a week later. So it definitely wasn’t in my system and it wasn’t working yet. So, I also didn’t want to start methotrexate to see if the program was working, which was just I tried everything natural under the sun. I’ve seen so many people, spiritual people, naturopaths, kinesiologists, reflexologists, all different natural herpetologists. So I’ve been trying a natural healing for a lot of the last decade, and that’s why I was a bit nervous about trying the methotrexate again. But I think I actually wrote you an email and said, Look, I’ve. I want to get off the prednisone. And you said I agree with your rheumatologist, the methotrexate is how to do that and it doesn’t upset the gut like the prednisone does. So I started the methotrexate. It did take two months for it to kick in for me it was more like a 6 to 8 week mark before I started to notice a difference with my inflammation. Even though I was on the program, the Paddison Program. The reduction again in my inflammation from, I think methotrexate and still really struggling to get us on 10 milligrams of cortisone when I started and now I’m on 6 1/2. And I’m really struggling going down, it’s half at a time, once, maybe every week or fortnight. So they bumped me up to 25 milligrams of methotrexate about three weeks ago. I haven’t got the effect of that yet, but yeah, that’s my plan is to get rid of all the prednisone and heal my gut and then taper off the methotrexate as much to as much as I can.

Clint: Which is the strategy that I suggest to people, and so it makes sense. I remember our conversation and it’s something that I find myself repeating over and over again to many people who enter into our coaching platforms and they say, Hey, I’m only on prednisone, and so I just want to get off the prednisone. The first question I ask, Well, what’s the dosage? Because if it’s over 5 milligrams and they’ve been on 5 milligrams or more for a long time. Then saying, Hey, I’m only on prednisone, it’s only, 10 milligrams a day and I just want to get off that, then that is one giant, giant mountain.

Benita: So much bigger than I thought. And I think as well, because early days, like in the early onset of rheumatoid arthritis, I was able to lower my cortisone. My rheumatologist said, if you want babies, have them early. So I found out I had rheumatoid arthritis a few weeks before my wedding and he said, we’re going to put you on some hard drugs and you want to have your babies early. So we did that and I was able to get off the cortisone, I think a year after my diagnosis to be able to get pregnant. So I’d had it out of my system for my first child. Second child, which was almost it was 2 years later, I think 2 years later I got pregnant again after the birth of my first child and I wasn’t able to get a low. I was close to 5, might have been 2 1/2 to 5 milligrams while I was pregnant with him. And it gets harder and harder to get off it.

Clint: I know. Yeah. So let’s talk about this because it’s something that comes up all the time again with like coaching clients. So, people who are in this position, we’ve got to let’s, let’s sort of interrupt our conversation about you for a moment and talk about strategies of steroid elimination. And I will look at the time here because sometimes I spend 20 minutes doing this and I just want to try and do this in three. Okay. So first of all, if it’s your only drug and it’s above five mg and you’ve been on it for a while, it’s almost certain that you’re going to have to switch out, not switch. You’re going to need a substitution like the methotrexate and then be able to taper the methotrexate in the future if you do everything that I recommend.

Benita: Okay. Yeah. And that was hard for me to get my head around. Like it took me a while to realize that, but I 100% agree with that now having experienced it.

Clint: Yeah. And it’s, and it’s hard because we think of prednisone as like just basically a stronger painkiller, it’s not at all just like a stronger painkiller. It affects us on so many levels in and all of them in negative ways, except for the way that we focus on when we take it, which is the pain relief. And so, it doesn’t matter who you talk to. Everyone agrees, including the American Guidelines of Rheumatology based in 2021 updated which says steroid use should be the shortest possible time at the lowest possible doses. Coming from the rheumatologist experts who come up with the guidelines. Right. So this is what we’re dealing with. So if we’re below 5 mg, there is a chance that if it’s the only drug below 5 mg, there’s a chance that doing everything inside the Paddison Program, not just the diet but the all the other aspects to it. Then you have a chance of maybe coming off the prednisone without too much pain increase so that you sort of get over that pain bump and then try and get the pain down a little further in the subsequent months. So it’s possible it’s still hard. I have someone who I’m working with right now, week in, week out on our breakthrough coaching and she is slowly tapering down her 5 mg. She started on 5, we’re getting it a zero. But if she had started on ten, I would have said, Honey, we’re you’re going to need another drug to help you to make this happen. So that’s the conversation we had. Let’s leave the prednisone strategy stuff there, there’s a lot more to it. Potassium intake is crucial, and exercise is crucial. There are some other tips and tricks, but generally, that’s the first decision point is whether will I need another disease-modifying drug to help me do this or can I get away with not doing it? And when you’re above 5, which you were, we come up with that strategy that you adopted. Those early changes when you were seeing this, had you felt anything before that had given you this kind of sudden immediate relief to that extent?

Benita: No, not at all. Not to that extent. After my son was born, my second child, I think a few months later, 6 months later, I started an anti-Candida diet, which I found really I was very successful in it and actually got off all my cortisone drugs for about 10 months until Christmas time. Then I started to drink and then I started to have the treats and the sugar snuck back in and then it was over. And once it got over, I got back onto the cortisone, unfortunately. That was great but it didn’t have. It was earlier on as well. Like I find if you’re lucky, if you if you get this early on, like, if you get this in the first 2 or 3 years that you have your onset of rheumatoid arthritis, you’re so much better to recover from it. And it’s so much easier than, you know, post that. And I say to anyone, if you can start this program within the first 2 years or 2 of your onset, you will be in such a better position to beat this disease and to have it in remission. So do it if you can, which you can, because if I can do it, I love my food, I’m a sugar addict. There’s nothing I’m addicted to in this world but sugar. Even the Paddison Program, I didn’t have sugar cravings. Normally, I’d have a real hankering for that sweet thing in the evening. It didn’t happen. I only just realized. Whereas when I did that, I definitely had this detoxification and all the toxins are coming out. That candida is saying, give me sugar, feed me. But yeah, actually that was really smooth, I just realized that as well as the caffeine.

Clint: I was just about to add that. So there was no sort of sharp edges.

Benita: No, it was just magic, overnight. Like fairy godmother had come in my room, sprinkled something on me while I was sleeping, and I woke up not my old self, but a newborn person that had all these new possibilities and new dreams and hopes, and just the excitement. Just gave me so much energy, so much so that I actually like I’ve been temping in work for years. For three years I’ve been in temp jobs because I hadn’t wanted to have been able to commit to an organization because I felt my health wasn’t good enough and I didn’t want to let them down. And a month ago, I started a new job, I got a new job in town and it’s amazing. I feel so excited that I’m not just mentally able to do this, I have the energy physically. I can work, I feel like a healthy employee and I’m not going to let them down with my sick days or anything like that. So that was an added bonus, I didn’t expect that to come out of it. There’s been so many little things out of it.

Clint: Something you mentioned before we hit record is the impact it’s had on your family, but we didn’t elaborate. Can you tell me like, have you like what’s been the impact on your husband?

Benita: Yeah. So my husband is very supportive and loves me no matter what. He married me knowing I had rheumatoid arthritis a week before our wedding, he till married me. But it was a simple thing, I think it was on day 4 of the program, and I just opened the bins, grabbed the rubbish out and ran it down to the outside. Then I ran back up the stairs and put the liner in and he just stood there looking at me and just started sobbing. And he was so happy that I was back and that I was doing things that not just that I could do, but things that weren’t even my job because I had the energy to help out more than what I used to help with. I think it all came crashing down to him and he realised how what a weight he was carrying, caring for me. Having someone care for you hits you pretty hard. Like when you’re in that state and you’re dependent on others, it’s I don’t know it got me down mentally quite a bit as well, I got depressed. And him just seeing me back with my happiness, my energy, and being able to help out around the house again and it didn’t all fall on him. He was just so touched and so supportive, so happy that I was able to do this program.

Benita: And the kids, I’m playing with them again. I can get down on my knees, my hands and knees, and play with my little son. And he is ecstatic. He came up with games when I was unwell that I could play on my bed, like, Let’s play sleeping kittens. And you just lie there Mum, and be the mummy cat, because that’s all you do. So he had all these little games around me being in bed and now we get to go out, we kick the ball, we take them to the park and I can go on my scooters and it’s just like, you know, I’ve got a different mom, which is how it should be, it should be like this. So yeah, it’s given me back my motherhood, my partner shoots, so many things. I can work again, I can be supportive again in the home. So, yeah, it’s just absolutely transformed. Absolutely transformed my life in such a short amount of time. I’ve only been on the program for 2 1/2 months, so going strong.

Clint: No doubt about it. And. Wow that’s tremendous. So let’s talk about some tips and things. And we can also talk about your wrist, because I always like sort of troubleshooting on these calls where time permits so we can talk about some things you can do for your wrist. We can talk about your plan to get off the rest of that steroid. And I want to talk about any other sort of things that you’re doing, of which we’ve already we have there’s a few things you mentioned to me that we can talk about shortly as well that you’re doing. Then in addition to the program and then I also want to talk about some things, the aspects of the program that you think are most crucial. So why don’t we first of all, just troubleshoot your wrist for a little bit. So you’ve had wrist pain for, would you say, most of those 11 and a half years?

Benita: It started on my feet. It was acute in my feet, I felt like I had broken my toes, I had x rays, all of that, it was a very sudden onset. One evening, in fact, a big night exhibition opening for my husband. he’s an artist sell out show, sold all the paintings and then got home, took the high heels off and bam! I was like, Oh, no, I think I’ve broken my toe it’s so painful to walk on, so is that acute. Anyway, over time it mainly was in my feet, in my hands, my fingers a little bit, and the base of my fingers. But the wrists only just started maybe eight months ago. At the start of the year, I started surfing. I used to live in Melbourne and I moved up to a warmer climate in Northern Rivers. So I’m in Murwillumbah and I started surfing, which I was, I loved and I haven’t been able to do that for a year because my wrists have been I can’t push myself up on them. And I don’t understand how it works, but my pain has moved through my body. At the bad points, it’s on the main joints, the knees, the elbows, and the shoulders. Three months ago, I couldn’t lift my arms up like this. It was almost like bursitis. They weren’t sure what it was or the rotator cuff, I couldn’t lift my arms up. I couldn’t dress myself properly. And the Paddison Program helped like within a week I went back to my physio and she’d given me a plan which was like, maybe in four months you’ll have 80% movement back, you’ll be able to lift them. I was doing her exercises, but after a week of being on your program, I went in there and I was like standing there like this and she’s like, What are you doing? And I’m like, Look, look, my arms, look. She could not believe it. Okay, what are you on? Okay, so I’m spreading the word for any of other clients. She couldn’t believe it, and neither could I. I was so, so proud of myself for being able to lift my arms up.

Clint: Yeah. When inflammation is is the main sort of cause, then it’s hard for the physios to. When it’s autoimmune and it’s inflammation-driven restriction. Very hard to work that down just through physical therapy. You just got so many, so much against you if that’s your only mechanism. Well, the movement around is, is not uncommon. It’s actually I like it because it gives you that relief in some joints that have had massive exposure because that’s damage. So it’s sharing that inflammation and therefore the potential joint degradation across a spectrum of joints. And therefore overall, each one can take a little hit and maybe not cause that much damage. Right. So it’s and the way that I keep an eye on whether or not it’s actually just a sharing and not an increase is just through the blood tests of CRP and SED rate. But if you’ve noticed it coming out of other joints and then sort of repositioning itself into the wrist and out of knees and feet and fingers, then there’s a good chance that it’s either at the same level or less, especially out of the knees. C-reactive protein is really elevated when knees are impacted, just do the sheer volume of joint space that the inflammation occupies. So you can have a whole set of fingers and knuckles, inflamed, and have less CRP than someone who only has it in the knee. Then one knee is highly inflamed, and that then could be C-reactive protein of 30, 40, 50, and then the person with the fingers can be just maybe a ten or 15. So I would check that and just make sure that that’s trending either at the same level or less. Then what I’ll find and I speak a lot from personal experience and the feedback that I get from encouraging others to do things and then getting their results back. Is that repetitions are a reliable way of getting relief through any joint, and that’s just movement. So with wrists, what I used to do is just dangle them, stand up, bend over at the waist, and just dangle them back and forth hundreds of times, Hundreds of times. You can do 100 reps in under a minute. And so to do 1000 2000 a day is not unreasonable. In fact, it’s recommended.

Clint: So that’s like the no-brainer. Step one, reps through joints that hurt because there’s no resistance and it’s just movement, right? We know there’s a subtle anti-inflammatory effect associated with synovial movement and compression in the joints, so we do that. The second thing we want to do is just build strength around that affected joint through every possible way. And with the wrist, I actually find that not directly trying to work on the wrsit works best. And what I mean by that is anything that involves using the arms in a complete and functional strength activity positively impacts the wrist. So this could be keeping the wrist straight, by the way, for these exercises, some shoulder presses or some rowing machine type of exercises, I like those best. Anything where there is a dislocation mechanism happening at the joint, where the joints are being pulled apart and your soft tissue holds the joint together, ligaments, tendons. And the reason I like that is because there is no force into the joint on the wrist. And so you’re nodding a lot as if you’ve experimented and heard or heard this information before and tried these things.

Benita: I do a reformer Pilates, and that’s a lot of like the rowing sort of machine with the pulleys and the weight of yourself. And I find when I actually went to Pilates last week and just within the first 5 minutes left in tears because I couldn’t.

Clint: Were you ever bent at the wrist as if you were putting your hands down to push yourself up off the floor in a downward dog or no.

Benita: I used to be able to do that. No, no, I don’t do that. But what they were doing was pushing off a pole. But it was just the night before confession, my kids had fish and chips and I had a couple like a couple of hot chips, and I just woke up really inflamed. And it was just it was great because I was like, okay, that wasn’t worth it, that’s crap. I’m not going to eat that food and I can’t eat that. I didn’t expect it to.

Clint: To be so instantly.

Benita: But it did. And anyway, so yeah, I went to my Pilates class and was just too inflamed that day and left. And I’ve noticed that when I don’t go, I stiffen up my wrists, get sore if I’m not doing it. So I think it is helping them like this sort of exercises you’re saying must be helping the wrists. It does make sense to me.

Clint: Well, the overriding position that I take is that it’s better to exercise and constantly make mistakes until you find the exercise that works for you than not exercising. And it’s better to say, Oh, that exercise irritated me, but have the mindset, we’ll just adjust it by doing this or skip that. Because look, there are 46 other machines there at the gym that you can use instead of that one, something’s going to work for you. If none of those 46 machines at that gym work, then see that kids play set out there, that’s free, go over there and reach up and hold that bar and just hang there for a little bit. If you can’t hang there, take a little bit of weight and put a block under your feet and just relax a little bit and hold some weight through your body and we can all find something that we can do at all levels. The takeaway for the wrist is keep the hand straight when you are doing the exercises, and never get into a bent when you’re doing the exercises. If the hand is straight and most of the time it’s pulling away kind of stuff that you’re resisting is probably the safest point to start. I got rid of really problematic wrist pain through physical movement.

Benita: So I think that’s key too, because in the first month of your program, I was feeling, you know, I’ve done really well with the diet, I’m really determined, I stick to it, I’m very strict with it. But then I wasn’t doing the exercise part of it. And that for me was really hard because I haven’t exercised for a long time. But I started to feel nothing was changing, I wasn’t improving anymore. I can’t remember what I listened to, I watched something of yours, and it was like, you really got to do this. Like, Oh, it was the building, the house, the pillars, the blocks, the house. And the exercise was like, Okay, B, come on, just look into some classes and start doing it. We don’t have Bikram yoga near me I have to travel quite far. It might be hot yoga that’s very similar to Bikram. I know you say don’t do hot yoga or it’s the Bikram routine that’s really, really good.

Clint: So it’s just the Bikram routine is safe. There are no postures that I’m worried about people doing that can irritate exactly the wrist. In fact, the wrist are the most sort of dicky like most problematic in yoga. And so yeah, that’s I just say like Bikram I know, I know it’s safe and that’s why it’s one of the recommended.

Benita: Yeah, but yeah, until I was exercising I was stagnant like I was doing the diet, but not so much to exercise. And the more I exercise, the more amazing I felt, that’s snowballed. So yeah, you really got to exercise as well, guys. You can’t just do the diet, which is another.

Clint: Wonderful. Well, let’s, let’s transition now into those extra tips here. You mentioned that you get some assistance from a practitioner who works on the back of your neck or is it the lower, lower cranium? Tell us what that is.

Benita: Yeah, sure. It’s craniosacral work. So a lot of osteo’s, I don’t know. I think they all have to be trained in it. And it’s basically I understand and don’t quote me, but they something to do with the spinal fluid and the pattern that it’s in, it’s got to be flowing properly and they help get it back into the right flow when it’s out. Because when it’s out, it can cause all kinds of structural problems. I found a great osteo in Melbourne that did Craniosacral and I responded really well to it with my arthritis. So when I moved up here I found it amazing craniosacral Guy Michael, and he really, really calms down my whole system. It’s grounding, my inflammation really reduces overnight and I just find that great relief. I don’t have to do it that often either. The other thing I’ve discovered is.

Clint: Quercetin.

Benita: Quercetin. So my physiologist gave me personal quercetin with vitamin D3 and zinc, and it’s incredible. It’s liquid, it’s delicious. I noticed that with a combination with the Craniosacral, my wrists were from being about 7 or 8 on the pain scale, probably 7 down to 3 overnight. So they’re great tips.

Clint: Let me just jump in there and just put some science around that. Quercetin, which is also sometimes pronounced quercetin by our friends in North America, is something that Dr. Michael Clapper recommends to his RA patients. And Dr. Michael Clapper is, you know, an esteemed doctor, recipient of tremendously high profile plant-based awards in the medical community and often is on our live calls for our members and offering services on that front. Beautiful man, a lovely human being. He recommends Quercetin as one of the very few supplements that he suggests for RA patients. And there is published evidence to suggest that it is helpful on the gut lining. And one of the ways that it’s helpful is that it reduces oxidative stress, and oxidative stress is the theft of electrons from our own tissues by free radicals. We all collectively as a community of people with inflammatory arthritis, have a tremendous susceptibility to oxidative stress. So all of us are typically deficient in key vitamins like vitamin C, and vitamin E, which are both antioxidants as well as intracellular antioxidants like glutathione and so forth. Well, Quercetin is good at reducing the impact of cell death, which consequently happens from the theft of electrons from cells. And there are a few studies that I was just looking at last night coincidentally because I didn’t know you were going to mention this. But they’re still on my screen at the moment. And, and so, yeah, I just pulled that up when you mentioned it just moments ago.

Clint: There are a lot of other antioxidants like Quercetin for me it doesn’t stand out as being the only one that we should invest all our time and energy into. For example, Cacao Right. The precursor for commercial chocolate also has tremendous evidence and love around it regarding its anti-inflammatory, sorry, antioxidant capacity and therefore anti-inflammatory capacity as well. And there are others, even green tea, ginkgo Bill Bola and all these other herbal options. There’s tons right? So if one of them is working for you, then obviously go for it. But I just want people to be aware that, yes, it’s got science. Yes. It’s working for you. Yes, Dr. Clapper recommends it. Yes, I’ve taken it in the past. And there are also many, many more. So anything that’s an antioxidant jump on it. Beautiful, important. So thank you for giving me a few moments to put that one into a spectrum of our current knowledge.

Benita: That’s right. Yeah. I couldn’t see myself being able to taper off my cortisone thanks to that.

Clint: Wow. Okay. Awesome. So, when you say that your confidence is higher to reduce the rest of the cortisone because of the Quercetin supplement, how often are you taking it? Are you finding diminishing results like you get with pharmaceutical drugs if you take them all the time?

Benita: I just started a few days. I just had a tablespoon at night. This new to me and my kinesiologist said you’ll need this to help you taper off your cortisone.

Clint: Well, that’s great. That’s great. That’s great. Well, can you give me an update of that Inside our support? Inside rheumatoid support. Let me know how that’s coming along, because we could we could put some further push behind this if it continues to help you get off the drug because people are always looking for extra ways to assist in getting off that prednisone. And I need more tools in my tool kit to recommend people to. Well, have we missed anything B, as I heard you refer to yourself.

Benita: Yeah, B is my nickname. Yeah No.

Clint: Well just from my notes here that I had to talk you that you did do infrared sauna in the past. You weren’t able to relocate the sauna when you moved. But did you find when you were doing the infrared sauna that it was helpful?

Benita: It was another drug for me. I love my sauna, I called it my hotbox. I’d go in every second or third night. So I had a sunlighten infrared sauna, and I did the research and it was really important to get one that didn’t have the toxic blues inside them as well, and make sure that the wood was really high quality and where they were constructive was really important as well if they had inspectors. So the sunlighten I recommend because I had really great results in them and they’re not the cheapest by any means, but you get what you pay for. And it hits you through to the bone and especially in Melbourne in winter you just feel warm that would sort of stay with you for days. And it just really helped me relax and give me my joint movement back for days and I’d want I’d crave to get back into it within two or three days’ time. So I also always played meditation music in it, so it was also a space for me to stop, be calm, send to myself, have a meditation, so it’s like my little healing hotbox. But yeah, I absolutely recommend it, especially if you’re in the cool places. You can also, there’s a lot of places that you can go to now as like a spa place that have the sauna. So and you can buy like a ten pack or whatever, and you just go in like if you towels, you get out and put your clothes on, you don’t have a shower, but they’re all different. But I recommend if you can get yourself into the fine French sauna because that really does help you on a cellular level. I believe that really helps with joint rejuvenation as well. So yeah, a lot of sauna one finished blood, so I grew up with them.

Clint: Your sunlighten is, I think, the same as mine. I have a two seater and I forget the exact brand, but a two-seater, and it’s brilliant. And Sunlighten because they know that we mention them from time to time on our podcast are offering all of the Paddison Program community $200 off for a cabin style sauna. So if you mention my name or this business name, when you buy a sunlighten product, then they will give you that $200 discount. If they don’t, then let me know because, that’s an arrangement that we’ve made and you should be able to pick that up in Australia, North America, including Canada, and anywhere throughout Europe. So mentioned

, get yourself an infrared sauna. We had Sue talk about the benefits of infrared sauna sunlighten and that she was on about two years ago on the podcast and her she just spoke so highly of it was incredible. So yes so our community, we like that.

Clint: Well, this has been tremendous. Thank you so much for coming on this episode. Even though you’ve only been on the program for a couple of months just to share those massive initial wins that you got in the first few days that made your husband cry, that made you bouncing up and down and running around, taking out the garbage, which you haven’t done for so long, and just all of these wonderful early wins. And also the strategy that you’ve shared with us about how you’re going to get off the dreaded prednisone and therefore set yourself up for a better and safer future and just inspiring us with your new journey. So thanks very much.

Benita: Thank you. Thank you so much for putting this together. I can imagine it’s a lot of work. You do an amazing job. So yeah, if you’ve just changed a couple of people. Wow. But hopefully, I’ve given some useful information to other people out there today.

Clint: Yes. Thank you. And the last person we should thank is our mystery sponsor who enabled you to get involved with our particularly our support group. Thank you to her, she’s amazing. And she has indicated that potentially she might sponsor some more people in the future, which would just be generosity beyond words. So thanks to her and be thanks again and thanks for listening or watching this podcast. We love you. Keep up your healing journey and happy healing. Bye for now.

Benita: Bye.